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	<description>Being the miscellaneous thoughts of Andy Mabbett, Esquire</description>
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		<title>Comment on Twitter: A microformat in lieu of a protocol by haxney</title>
		<link>http://pigsonthewing.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/twitter-a-microformat-in-lieu-of-a-protocol/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>haxney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t aware that the CodingHorror post was considered harmful (discredited). It does seem to make sense, though, that using HTML classes could clash with CSS classes in the site&#039;s styles.

I certainly don&#039;t think that a lot of sites would use those classes, but there are probably some (I would imagine) that do. If the site is well-designed, then it shouldn&#039;t be too hard to change the classes so they don&#039;t clash. If it is reasonably possible to avoid having to do that, I think it would be preferrable to have these attributes in a separate namespace.

You&#039;re absolutely right about &quot;rel=&quot;, it wouldn&#039;t be a good match for what you&#039;re going for. As for &quot;data-&quot;, it is a proposed set of attributes for HTML5, with the idea being that you could use a &#039;data-twitter=&quot;foo&quot;&#039; attribute in your markup and the browser would ignore it for anything presentational (but could use DOM methods to get its value). I don&#039;t know what the current status is for data attributes, but I think that most browsers will behave as expected (ignore it for layout, but make the value avalilable through the DOM).

That said, I think the HTML class-based way of doing it is probably the best we can do now, even if it&#039;s not the technical ideal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware that the CodingHorror post was considered harmful (discredited). It does seem to make sense, though, that using HTML classes could clash with CSS classes in the site&#8217;s styles.</p>
<p>I certainly don&#8217;t think that a lot of sites would use those classes, but there are probably some (I would imagine) that do. If the site is well-designed, then it shouldn&#8217;t be too hard to change the classes so they don&#8217;t clash. If it is reasonably possible to avoid having to do that, I think it would be preferrable to have these attributes in a separate namespace.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right about &#8220;rel=&#8221;, it wouldn&#8217;t be a good match for what you&#8217;re going for. As for &#8220;data-&#8221;, it is a proposed set of attributes for HTML5, with the idea being that you could use a &#8216;data-twitter=&#8221;foo&#8221;&#8216; attribute in your markup and the browser would ignore it for anything presentational (but could use DOM methods to get its value). I don&#8217;t know what the current status is for data attributes, but I think that most browsers will behave as expected (ignore it for layout, but make the value avalilable through the DOM).</p>
<p>That said, I think the HTML class-based way of doing it is probably the best we can do now, even if it&#8217;s not the technical ideal.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twitter: A microformat in lieu of a protocol by pigsonthewing</title>
		<link>http://pigsonthewing.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/twitter-a-microformat-in-lieu-of-a-protocol/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>pigsonthewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@haxney: The CodingHorror post has been widely discredited. Its criticisms of microformats are based on a number of false premises, not least a failure to understand the purpose of HTML classes (not, as it calls them, &quot;CSS classes&quot;).

Do you have any evidence that &quot;a lot&quot; of sites currently use class=“twitter-status” ?

There is no data- attribute in valid HTML 4.01 as currently used on many sites.

The rel atttribute describes the relatonship between documents.  Can you explain how you think that would apply, in these cases?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@haxney: The CodingHorror post has been widely discredited. Its criticisms of microformats are based on a number of false premises, not least a failure to understand the purpose of HTML classes (not, as it calls them, &#8220;CSS classes&#8221;).</p>
<p>Do you have any evidence that &#8220;a lot&#8221; of sites currently use class=“twitter-status” ?</p>
<p>There is no data- attribute in valid HTML 4.01 as currently used on many sites.</p>
<p>The rel atttribute describes the relatonship between documents.  Can you explain how you think that would apply, in these cases?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twitter: canonical URLs and Protocols by michael holloway (m_holloway) « Twitter: canonical URLs and Protocols &#171; Mabblog « Chat Catcher</title>
		<link>http://pigsonthewing.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/twitter-canonical-urls-protocols/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>michael holloway (m_holloway) « Twitter: canonical URLs and Protocols &#171; Mabblog « Chat Catcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2009-12-14T19:05:13&#160;         Reading the leading edge of Twitter @pigsonthewing. &quot;Twitter: canonical URLs and Protocols&quot; [link to post] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2009-12-14T19:05:13&nbsp;         Reading the leading edge of Twitter @pigsonthewing. &quot;Twitter: canonical URLs and Protocols&quot; [link to post] [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twitter: A microformat in lieu of a protocol by haxney</title>
		<link>http://pigsonthewing.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/twitter-a-microformat-in-lieu-of-a-protocol/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>haxney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea in principle, but after reading

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001314.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001314.html&lt;/a&gt;

I can&#039;t help but think that using something other than a class attribute would be a better idea. It is plausible that someone would have a &quot;twitter-status&quot; class in their existing page, so giving special meaning to that class could break a lot of sites.

The &quot;rel&quot; or even &quot;data-&quot; attributes would seem to be better choices for this kind of markup. Otherwise, I like the proposal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea in principle, but after reading</p>
<p><a href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001314.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001314.html</a></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but think that using something other than a class attribute would be a better idea. It is plausible that someone would have a &#8220;twitter-status&#8221; class in their existing page, so giving special meaning to that class could break a lot of sites.</p>
<p>The &#8220;rel&#8221; or even &#8220;data-&#8221; attributes would seem to be better choices for this kind of markup. Otherwise, I like the proposal.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twitter: A microformat in lieu of a protocol by Erik Vold</title>
		<link>http://pigsonthewing.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/twitter-a-microformat-in-lieu-of-a-protocol/#comment-441</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Vold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tested the Jetpack out on those test cases thanks for making that.

I was also thinking about making a class for status updates because of a Jetpack I am going to make. I&#039;m not sure if there are any other use cases though, I think that other twitter clients probably have a status update page too, so the links to say &lt;code&gt;twitter.com?status=Example%20Page%20http://tr.im/...&lt;/code&gt; can be changed to use another twitter client.

How does twitter-update sound to you?

E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tested the Jetpack out on those test cases thanks for making that.</p>
<p>I was also thinking about making a class for status updates because of a Jetpack I am going to make. I&#8217;m not sure if there are any other use cases though, I think that other twitter clients probably have a status update page too, so the links to say <code>twitter.com?status=Example%20Page%20http://tr.im/...</code> can be changed to use another twitter client.</p>
<p>How does twitter-update sound to you?</p>
<p>E</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winterval &#8211; the truth by Danny Smith: Merry Winterval - Birmingham: It's Not Shit</title>
		<link>http://pigsonthewing.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/winterval-the-truth/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Smith: Merry Winterval - Birmingham: It's Not Shit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Winterval was the blanket catch all name for a series of council ran events that included Eid, Christmas and [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Twitter: A microformat in lieu of a protocol by pigsonthewing</title>
		<link>http://pigsonthewing.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/twitter-a-microformat-in-lieu-of-a-protocol/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator>pigsonthewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are fantastic contributions Eric, thank you. 

Here are some test cases: http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/twitter-microformat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are fantastic contributions Eric, thank you. </p>
<p>Here are some test cases: <a href="http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/twitter-microformat" rel="nofollow">http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/twitter-microformat</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Bacchus Bar, Birmingham. Awful. by Najm</title>
		<link>http://pigsonthewing.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/bacchus-bar-bad/#comment-433</link>
		<dc:creator>Najm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Guest Services: I fail to see why you require those details in order to follow up unless it is your policy to use this approach so that you can dismiss the complaint when you don&#039;t get them. Can I suggest you take your customer care a little more seriously as it is your customers who ultimately pay your salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Guest Services: I fail to see why you require those details in order to follow up unless it is your policy to use this approach so that you can dismiss the complaint when you don&#8217;t get them. Can I suggest you take your customer care a little more seriously as it is your customers who ultimately pay your salary.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twitter: A microformat in lieu of a protocol by Erik Vold</title>
		<link>http://pigsonthewing.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/twitter-a-microformat-in-lieu-of-a-protocol/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Vold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wrote a userscript to add these microformats to all twitter profile &amp; status links for the twitter.com domain (not performed when you are at twitter.com) @ http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/62975</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wrote a userscript to add these microformats to all twitter profile &amp; status links for the twitter.com domain (not performed when you are at twitter.com) @ <a href="http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/62975" rel="nofollow">http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/62975</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Twitter: A microformat in lieu of a protocol by Erik Vold</title>
		<link>http://pigsonthewing.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/twitter-a-microformat-in-lieu-of-a-protocol/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Vold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andy,

Great idea! I wrote a Jetpack to do what you have described: http://jetpackgallery.mozillalabs.com/jetpacks/169 it adds a menu item to Firefox&#039;s &#039;Tools&#039; menu where you can easily enable/disable it.

Enjoy, I know I will.
Erik</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andy,</p>
<p>Great idea! I wrote a Jetpack to do what you have described: <a href="http://jetpackgallery.mozillalabs.com/jetpacks/169" rel="nofollow">http://jetpackgallery.mozillalabs.com/jetpacks/169</a> it adds a menu item to Firefox&#8217;s &#8216;Tools&#8217; menu where you can easily enable/disable it.</p>
<p>Enjoy, I know I will.<br />
Erik</p>
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